Changing url to recover from algorythmic penalty
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Hello,
If I think that a website was hit algorithmically, I would like to buy a new domain name and publish all the content from the first website there. I will take the first site down and this one would be the only one this content.
Will Google see that it's the same content than a penalized website posted before and will penalize the new domain name even though it has 0 links pointing to it?
Regards.
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Marie is correct - this is unlikely to work unless you are VERY careful to not let Google know that the websites are connected, as they're partial to transferring penalties from one site to another if you try to get rid of a penalty by starting a new, identical website. Simply redirecting a penalised site is a trick that used to work back in 2009, 2010 (you don't mention redirection, but it's worth noting that this used to work, so if you see it mentioned online it's probably old information).
Even if you do not redirect the old site, Google may still recognise that the content is identical to a website it previously penalised, especially if all the new site's registration information, hosting, template, etc. is the same as the old site.
That's not for sure - you may get away with doing this if there are no ties between the old, penalised site and the new site, but using identical content is a big give-away.
Assuming that your penalty was links-related, the safest way to do this is to remove the old site's content, wait until Google cache the old site with the content gone (so the content is completely out of the index), take the site down and re-publish on the new domain. That said, Google's ability to remember what it has seen before could result in the scenario Marie describes.
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This is probably not going to work well for you.
If you've been affected adversely by the Panda algorithm, then Panda is all about the content on your site. If you take the same site and move it to a new domain then the same issues are there and the same demotion is going to happen. You might rank well for a month or so and then when Panda refreshes you'd be back where you started.
If Penguin is the issue, then the problem is with links. If you move to a new domain you're starting fresh with no links. However, if the content is all the same then Google will usually apply an invisible canonical and apply all of the links from the old site to the new site. You'll see something in WMT that says, "via this intermediate link" when this happens. As such, the demotion that came along with having the bad links will affect the new site the next time that Penguin refreshes.
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You may not know that that if you take your website and move it to a completely 'new domain' but you have not redirected the old domain to the new, that Google may also pass along the penalty without redirecting the URLs.
If you have a website site with a 'penalty' I strongly advise you to find out exactly what it is first. If you are going to take the site and simply move it to a new domain, like you say, even without using site migration tools or setting up essential redirects, Google may or probably will in most cases figure out it was you and pass along the unwanted penalty juice.
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Hi
Before you do anything, you need to specifically find out why you have been penalised?
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Using Redirects To Avoid Penalties
A quick question, born out of frustration! If a webpage has been penalised for unnatural links, what would be the effects of moving that page to a new URL and setting up a 301 redirect from the old penalised page to the new page? Will Google treat the new page as ‘non-penalised’ and restore your rankings? It really shouldn’t work, but I’m convinced (although not certain) that our clients competitor has done this, with great effect! I suppose you could also achieve this using canonicalisation too! Many thanks in advance, Lee.
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Still not Recovered from Caffeine
In June of 2010, we lost rankings for four of our best key terms for our website http://tinyurl.com/6e73q52. No other terms were majorly impacted, so our assumption was that is was either due to Caffeine or a filter on those terms. We have worked with several companies using various strategies since then with little or no success. We later found that their linking strategies were less than white hat (I'm being polite) The best advice I was given recently is that we were over-optimized for those four terms (life insurance, life insurance quotes, term life insurance, term life insurance quotes) and we need to balance that out by linking with other terms. I know this will not be a fast process. My problem is I see many of my competitors in this extremely competitive space using black hat (grey at best) techniques and rising quickly to the first page of Google. Some of the SEO companies working with my competitors offered help to us, which I consider ethically questionable. These four terms convert the best, as you would imagine, so it has become very cut-throat in this competitive environment. We want to keep our hats white, as we are interested in longevity, not a quick hit and run (our site has been live and working for 8-plus years, by the way). I have become extremely gun-shy and generally suspicious of working with a new SEO company, so my question (finally) is: I would like some recommendations and success stories you have had with working with SEO companies (white hat only). Thank you for listening to my rant.
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